New Episode of Ms.’s On The Issues With Michele Goodwin Podcast: Afghanistan: What Happens Next?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE | September 11, 2021

On the Issues with Michele Goodwin is a popular, issues and policy-focused podcast featuring feminist analysis, insightful conversations and exciting guests. This is the first podcast from Ms. magazine, a legacy feminist publication. In each bi-weekly episode, host Dr. Michele Goodwin and special guests will tackle the most compelling issues of our times, centering feminist concerns about rebuilding our nation and advancing the promise of equality.

A new episode—Afghanistan: What Happens Next? (with Karen J. Greenberg, Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, Renee Montagne and Gaisu Yari)—is available now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and

In this episode, Dr. Goodwin asks what we’ve learned in the two decades since 9/11. Feminists and Afghanistan experts warned of the brutal impact that would likely be felt by women and minorities with the return of the Taliban and in the vacuum of leadership. And they were right.

Already, reports show the armed group being violent and intimidating women protesters, women journalists and ethnic minorities. Just like in the ’90s, live music is banned throughout the country once again, and Afghan women are barred from coeducational opportunities and playing sports. What does this mean for national security? The safety of women and girls? What are the geo-political dynamics yet to be sorted?

You can find a full transcript of the episode here, as well as a few excerpts below:

“Meet those young women. Meet those girls. They are the same as the young women in your family and mine. They have been pushing for themselves to go to school, to achieve their potential, to contribute to their families, and with lots of challenges, have made huge progress in a country that is more urbanized, more connected, and more educated by far than it was two decades ago.” —Gayle Tzemach Lemmon

“The Taliban actually announced two days ago that girls can go to school in universities in a separate room. We don’t have human resources to maintain those rooms and those classes because we don’t have female professors, either in private or public universities.” —Gaisu Yari

“The Taliban may or may not have changed but the world has, and the world that they’ve stepped into has changed dramatically.” —Renee Montagne

“With the women, actually, the story is real. The story of building these networks and progressing and coming into their own really did happen. So, this is a piece of it that we have to really figure out.” —Karen Joy Greenberg

Meet the Host of On the Issues: Dr. Michele Goodwin is a frequent contributor to Ms. Magazine and on She is a Chancellor’s Professor at the University of California, Irvine and also serves on the executive committee and national board of the ACLU. Dr. Goodwin is a prolific author and an elected member of the American Law Institute, as well as an elected Fellow of the American Bar Foundation and the Hastings Center. Her most recent book, Policing The Womb: Invisible Women and The Criminalization of Motherhood is described as a “must read.”

About Ms. Magazine: Co-founded by Gloria Steinem in 1972 and published by the Feminist Majority Foundation since 2001, Ms. magazine has been a trusted, popular source for feminist news and information in print and online for nearly 50 years. Ms.’s time-honored traditions of an emphasis on in-depth investigative reporting and feminist political analysis have never been more relevant, bringing a new generation of writers and readers together to share news, analysis, research and strategies for fighting back and moving forward, for shaping the future.


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