New Episode of Ms.’s On The Issues With Michele Goodwin Podcast: Road to Confirmation: Judge Jackson’s Walk Through Fire


On the Issues with Michele Goodwin is a popular, issues and policy-focused podcast featuring feminist analysis, insightful conversations and exciting guests. This is the first podcast from Ms. magazine, a legacy feminist publication. In each bi-weekly episode, host Dr. Michele Goodwin and special guests will tackle the most compelling issues of our times, centering feminist concerns about rebuilding our nation and advancing the promise of equality. 

A new episode—Road to Confirmation: Judge Jackson’s Walk Through Fire—is available now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and

In this episode, Dr. Goodwin is joined by Syovata Edari, Zinelle October, Danielle Holley-Walker and Steve Vladeck to unpack Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson’s historic Supreme Court confirmation hearings, including her seeming walk through fire. They examine the hearings, including Judge Jackson’s judicial temperament, judicial and legal experience, as well as conduct of the Senate Judiciary Committee. How did a process meant to be rigorous, but respectful and fair turn into days of badgering, bullying, and a litmus test on religion? They also probe what happens next.   

You can find a full transcript of the episode here, as well as a few excerpts below:

“I saw a complete display of a lack of respect for the rule of law and our Constitution. It was really disheartening to see, and quite scary, if I do say so myself. And what we saw on display, Michele, is conservatives have made clear that Roe, Griswold, Obergefell, and even Loving are on the table.” — Zinelle October

“I think what we saw on display was really Judge Jackson’s just incredible legal knowledge. She is obviously brilliant, one of the brightest legal minds that we have in the United States. We saw a lot about her family. I was touched by seeing her husband sitting next to her, right behind her and her daughters on the first day.” — Danielle Holley-Walker

“It was really a tale of two hearings. It was the hearing that the Democrats tried to have about Judge Jackson’s record, and it was the hearing that the Republicans wanted to know about, you know, perceived grievances left over from the confirmations of Justice Brett Kavanagh, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and I think that’s what we’ve seen, some pretty frustrating misrepresentations.” — Steve Vladeck

“You know, you can’t say that one person is entitled to the Constitutional rights and somebody else is not—and is this what they’re suggesting? That not everybody in this country is entitled to the rights guaranteed under the Constitution?” — Syovata Edari

This episode is the third in the “On the Issues” Road to Confirmation series, which follows the nomination and confirmation process of President Biden’s nominee to replace Justice Stephen Breyer on the U.S. Supreme Court. Dr. Goodwin will take listeners through each step of the confirmation process as it happens in real time, with commentary and analysis from experts.  

Meet the Host of On the Issues: Dr. Michele Goodwin is a frequent contributor to Ms. Magazine and on She is a Chancellor’s Professor at the University of California, Irvine and also serves on the executive committee and national board of the ACLU. Dr. Goodwin is a prolific author and an elected member of the American Law Institute, as well as an elected Fellow of the American Bar Foundation and the Hastings Center. Her most recent book, Policing The Womb: Invisible Women and The Criminalization of Motherhood is described as a “must read.”

About Ms. Magazine: Co-founded by Gloria Steinem in 1971 and published by the Feminist Majority Foundation since 2001, Ms. magazine has been a trusted, popular source for feminist news and information in print and online for nearly 50 years. Ms.’s time-honored traditions of an emphasis on in-depth investigative reporting and feminist political analysis have never been more relevant, bringing a new generation of writers and readers together to share news, analysis, research and strategies for fighting back and moving forward, for shaping the future.


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