10 Questions for Anti-Choice Candidates

Amanda Marcotte posted an interesting rant at Double X yesterday about the cognitive dissonance between the desire of anti-choice individuals to make abortion illegal and their unwillingness to address the legal issues that would arise if that happened:

The widespread delusion that advocating for bans on abortion won’t mean that abortion is, you know, banned, runs so deep that if you ask a typical anti-choice obsessive how much time women should do for breaking the law they wished existed, they straight up can’t answer the question because they’ve quite literally never thought that banned means banned.

Click the link above and you’ll see what she means–many anti-choice individuals haven’t ever thought about that detail before. It made me think: There are a lot of questions I’d like to ask candidates running for office over the next year.

1. How many years do you consider to be a fair prison term for a woman who has an abortion?

2. How many years for a doctor who performs one?

3. Will the punishments be greater the second time around? 

4. Where will the state get the money necessary to prosecute one-third of all American women for this crime?

5. Forty-two percent of women who have an abortion have incomes below 100 percent of the federal poverty level (that’s $10,830 for a single woman with no children, if you’re counting). When women are forced to have children they cannot afford to raise, will those children become wards of the state or simply new Medicaid recipients? Where will the state find the money necessary to support them?

6. Will you be willing to watch your wife die in front of you when her life is threatened by an unsafe pregnancy that no one is allowed to do anything about? Your daughter?

7. Will rapists have to pay child support to women who are forced to have their children?

8. Will the child of incest be in the custody of its rapist father or the father’s teenaged daughter, his mother? In fact, 18 percent of women who have an abortion in America are teenagers. Will they be required to drop out of high school to raise their children or will the state provide free childcare?

9. Will upper-class white women be prosecuted as vigorously as other women who have abortions?

10. You are aware that upper-class white women have abortions, aren’t you?

Help me out here, what else would you like to have asked? The only way to hold people accountable for their views is to question them relentlessly. These people are running for office–ask them what kind of society they envision creating.

Comments

  1. If you are in a death penalty state, and abortion is considered murder, should women who break the law be subject to the death penalty?

  2. 11. Will you be adopting or fostering more unwanted children, since that was the other “choice” you gave women.

    11. B. Will these adopted children be people of color?

    12. Will you be forcing the fathers of these unwanted children to pay for half of womens hospital bills?

    13. Will men who get women pregnant be prosecuted as well? Considering that women wouldn’t get pregnant without men.

    14. Will women get paid leave during their pregnancy?

    15. Will women get free counselling prior to/ during and after being forced to go through hours of painful labor for an unwanted child and months of emotional upheaval?

    Just some that I would add.

    • StateofMind says:

      Will you be providing the necessary counseling for the women who receive abortions and spiral into deep depression and guilt?

      Would you be willing to go above and beyond to donate to centers for abortions that you have no part of? (i.e. if it were a tax write-off to do so)

      • Do people have guilt about abortion in societies when no one makes them feel guilty? (Answer: no)

      • Do you believe that women who are prosecuted for having an abortion should receive such “abortion-guilt/trauma” counseling while imprisoned, and if so, who would be deemed appropriate to administer said counseling?

    • I thought the main article said it all, but you added some vital questions!!

    • I really like Yoctavias’ #13. It’s not as if all these pregnancies were immaculate conceptions and often women choose abortion because the father won’t step up or wouldn’t make a good father if he did.

  3. 11. Will there be programs in place to help our schools cope when they are overrun with unwanted and emotionally unstable children?

  4. While I think issues around rape and incest are important, I want abortion to be available to every woman, in any circumstance. So for me it’s important to ask how they think a woman will feel raising a baby she doesn’t want, and if they really think the state should force that situation on anyone, in breach of their civil rights.

  5. How about:

    11. Will the state foot the bill for funerals of women who die of miscarriage complications because hospital doctors were afraid to treat her for fear of being prosecuted for performing an abortion?

    11a. Will her surviving children become wards of the state?

  6. Abortion Prohibitionists have been getting a “free ride” from the media for decades. When someone casually says “human life begins at conception” or “abortion is murder” they should always be asked if they really believe that the law should treat fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses exactly the same as you and I. If not, they’re hypocrites who don’t really believe their own rhetoric, and don’t think the “preborn” are truly equal “persons” deserving of equal “protection.” If they do think that the laws which apply to “persons” should apply from the moment of conception, then they must also believe that a woman who hires a doctor to perform an abortion is guilty of a “contract killing,” which is considered “murder with special circumstances,” and which would require her and the doctor to be subject to either life imprisonment without parole or execution. (If the logical consequence of a belief is outrageous, then the belief is outrageous.) Anti-choicers need to be asked what, exactly, they want, and what, precisely, they believe. Is the goal a return to the days when abortion was an “illegal operation” and only the doctor was punished with a couple of years in jail, or a fine (in which case it can’t be a human life that’s being terminated, so stop calling it murder) or do they favor a Human Life Amendment that would establish personhood at conception and require that anything done to a fertilized egg, embryo or fetus be punished in exactly the same way as something done to an infant, child or adult ? I really hope that some time during a Republican “Debate Du Jour” someone really presses these folks on what the core belief and ultimate goal of the antichoice movement is, so that people can see it for what it truly is, and judge it on hard specifics rather than warm, fuzzy catch phrases like “prolife.”

    • “do they favor a Human Life Amendment that would establish personhood at conception”

      I just did a phone bank last night for the No On 26 Campaign for Initiative 26 in Mississippi that would do just that. Sadly many people were for it or leaning toward it. I’m hoping I convinced at least some of the people that consider themselves pro-life that the bill is too vague and has far too many possible consequences.

  7. Will doctors and women be prosecuted equally? Which is worse – having an abortion or providing an abortion?

    Will women who miscarry have to show proof? How far will we go to shame/blame women who miscarry and when will it cross the line into “abortion” (Did she eat unpasteurized cheese!? To the gallows!)

    If we give up abortion, can we finally have paid maternity leave?

    Who can be charged as an accessory?

    Will we apply the same regulations to coat hangers as we apply to guns? Or are they protected by the 2nd amendment?

  8. Will treatment for the complications of unsafe abortions be covered under plans available in the health insurance exchanges?

    Will women receiving postabortion care be arrested while they are still in the hospital, or will police wait until they are discharged?

    These are very real questions for our colleagues in the countries where Ipas works. Just this week there is an article in the Ugandan newspaper the New Vision about a medic and young woman being charged with an illegal abortion. And to underscore how related these issues are, it was the local office of the U.S. anti-choice organization Human Life International that lodged a complaint that kicked off the investigation. (http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/18477-tororo-medic-arrested-over-abortion.html)

    • SunlessNick says:

      Will medical staff who provide pre and post abortion care, but don’t perform the operation itself be counted as accomplices?

      What happens to the other patients if these medical staff are arrested?

  9. Don’t you know, Adoption is the answer to every single abortion argument (and low income parenting argument). If women would just give their babies away if they’re poor then everything would be fantastic.

    • who pays for 1) loss of wages, or of the job; 2) prenatal care and doctor checkups; 3) hospital care; 4) after-care; 5) compensation for any job loss due to complications of after-care (up to one year’s wages); and 6) retraining needed as a result of any potential job loss?

    • When I hear arguments about how unwanted babies will be adopted, I think of the over hundreds of thousands of children already waiting to be adopted…

      • Sara, in a dream world that would be the answer. But ya gotta wake up and smell the poopy diapers…. There are way too many children now who are unwanted and considered “unadoptable”. However, if each person who is against abortion would just agree to adopt ALL the babies/children who are currently “unadoptable”, maybe then we can talk about “giving away babies” instead of abortion.

    • And how many children are stuck in the foster care system currently and don’t get adopted? Adoption would be a wonderful solution if every child that was put into the system could find a family that would take them in. That is NOT a reality. Everything wouldn’t be “fantastic” as you say. What you say is very unrealistic.

      • I truly believe Sara was being sarcastic with that comment. Not that everyone who replied to her wasn’t completely right about the proper response to the adoption panacea.

    • i just checked, there are usually about 400,000 children in the foster system, btw.

    • As an adopted person, I wish I could violently strangle that thought out of your head (the thought not you). Since when does adoption make a pregnancy go away? Do doctors remove fetuses and implant them into the adoptive parents? No? then you have no argument. MOST ADOPTIONS END BADLY! (Mine didn’t it is magical, but every other adopted person I’ve ever talked to had serious psychological issues, many saying they wish they WERE aborted). And besides, NO ONE WANTS TO ADOPT, everyone would rather ad to our 7 billion unstable population instead.

  10. Considering the majority of women who have abortions are already mothers, how will you pay for the care of children whose mothers are serving time for having an abortion?

  11. 11a.Does this mean that we have to redefine citizenship? Wouldn’t you be a citizen of the country in which you were concieved instead of the one in which you were born?

    11b.How will this be regulated? (You must proove beyond a reasonable doubt that the conception happened on American soil.)

    11c.If an undocumented immigrant gets pregnant in America than isn’t that child an American who should recieve Title IX & prenatal care?

    12a.What activities that we take for granted will we not be able to do because they could make us guilty of endangering the welfare of a child?

    12b.Taking perscriptions?

    12c.Not taking pre-natal vitamins?

    12d. Is there agrace period in which I can continue to go about my normal activities w/o fear of prosecution under this or am I just supposed to take daily pregnancy tests? (Because we all know that pregnancy tests are accurate at conception, before implantation, before hormonal changes can occur.)

  12. Given that over 60% of the women who have abortions are already mothers (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html), what legal implications for parenting will having an abortion hold? Will women lose custody of their children? What would happen to the children when the mother is in jail?

    (I’m sure there are more precise and many more questions that come from this, but I did want to bring this up in hopes someone more attuned to the legal issues at hand can polish a series of questions)

  13. When the state inevitably has to remove children from neglectful, abusive or unsafe homes because their parents knew they were unfit to be a parent or unable to financially provide for those children but could not afford an abortion, who is going to pay for that child’s foster care, therapy, medical bills, etc?

  14. I have no idea if other men are reading MSblog. Personally, I am in complete and total support of Pro Choice. All of the comments made concerning the anti-abortion actions and the very real consequences are well thought and valid.

    Pro-Life people who quote the bible obviously have not realized that what Christ taught was “unconditional love”, not judgement or hate.

  15. Please replace 10. with the following:

    10. Will punishments be different for women who have already had a number of children and choose to abort the additional “surprise” because she already has more children than she can care for?

  16. Will you increase funding for foster programs and adoptions agencies and will you increase funding for youth homeless shelters since roughly a quarter of children who age out of foster care become homeless?

  17. beautifulthingfromthenorth says:

    Why do you think you should dictate a woman’s choice and reproductive health?

    Have you ever been in a situation where you would not want to bring a child into the world for various reasons?

    Do you have empathy for women?

    How can you sleep at night?

    Why are you trying to bring us backwards in time?

    Why isn’t valid scientific evidence avilable on why banning abortion would be a horrible idea revelant to you? Why do you get to dispel facts and make desions that affect women based on your personal opinions?

    Do you get off on women’s suffering?

    Do you ever think of anything more than your own self-serving goals?

    Could you look your pregant 16 year old daughter in the eye and tell her she can either have the baby or die?

    Do you know how angry it makes us you greedy pigs control the poorest, the most vunerable?

  18. Barbara Mor says:

    A few years ago, Judge Andrew Napolitano — yes, a Judge, & sometime legal advisor for FOX News — opined in a guest stink on Bill O’Reilly’s radio talk show that pregnant women should not be in sole legal control/disposition of their bodies; their bodies didn’t belong to them while pregnant, he believed. The question never asked, of course, or answered, is: If a pregnant woman does not legally “own” her body for that 9-10 months of gestation, who does? Her legal husband &/or the determined father of the fetus? The woman’s father? Her parents? The local police or sheriff or an appointed judge? Or the woman’s pastor, priest, rabbi, mullah — & if she has none, one will be appointed for her???

    Whoa…!!!

  19. How would you determine if a woman had an accidental miscarriage or encouraged one by her actions? Would a woman be at fault for abortion if she may have caused a miscarriage by… carrying a heavy box, or not taking prenatal pills… or doing something that may put the pregnancy at risk? Are you willing to legislate which activities a pregnant woman can perform?

  20. if a woman , with children, gets prosecuted for having an abortion, what would happen to the children? Foster care? become State’s responsibility? Send them to anti-choice people? Hey, maybe pro-choicers should be taxed extra to cover the expenses of illegalizing abortion

  21. Karl Wolff says:

    I personally do not belive in abortion, but it is nor my right to tell any woman that she cannot choose for herself. The people that want to abolish abortion are trying to force their opinions on other people.

  22. willowtree says:

    If life begins at conception, what about the right to be born of the millions of fertilized eggs produced as a by-product of in-vitro fertilization? Is keeping them frozen abuse and/or imprisonment? Will you prosecute those who dispose of them?

  23. If abortion becomes illigal, will I, a high school Health educator, have full permission to teach EVERY child FULL, COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION with an emphasis on contraceptions that will be vital in protecting these young women, and possibly keeping them out of jail if arrested for getting an abortion? Also, will you make contraception free to all women so they don’t have an untimely, unplanned, unwanted pregnancy?

    • No, they will say that young girls and boy’s should abstain from having sex in the first place. Ha, ha, ha, ha!!! When I talk to people who think that teen’s should not have sex until they are married, I can’t stop laughing! Half the girls in my junior high class had had sex by the time they were in 9th grade! These people are obviously living in a utopian parallel universe.

      My question for an anti-abortion loony would be:

      “Would YOU be willing to pay for ALL the hospital bills, and possibly all other bills (if the pregnant woman is in financial need), then adopt ALL of the babies that will be born, and be a responsible, loving parent for the rest of their natural lives, of ALL the pregnant women that would have chosen an abortion in just the one abortion clinic that they are picketing”?

      Then watch for their reaction! If they say yes they would, then ask them for their address and phone number so that you can direct these women to their house! Then wait again for their reaction. I will bet my house that they will refuse to give their info! They are all self centered, egotistical, narcissistic hypocrites!

      And another question:

      “If your daughter were violently raped, became pregnant as a result of that crime, would you force her to carry that pregnancy to term, and then force her to raise that child? Wouldn’t that be considered torture, or cruel and unusual punishment? If so, do you blame her for the crime? Because that is how she will feel if you forced it on her! And if after forcing this punishment on her, could you accept and live with yourself after she commits suicide, killing the baby as well”? Would you accuse her of murder, and that she will rot in hell?

      Just a thought.

  24. Since there are no statutes of limitation on murder, will the state prosecute every woman who has ever had an abortion? Do I have to turn myself in, or will they issue a warrant for my arrest? If they can’t find me, will I end up on the FBI’s most wanted list? How much will it cost to prosecute the phenomenal number of women who have had abortions?

  25. cat ballou says:

    “So…if citizenship is to be granted to all fertilized eggs, how would you handle the applications for passports for all those children conceived on US soil, say, by vacationers?”

  26. Will men who have gotten the women pregnant be accountable in any way? In ANY way at all?

  27. Don’t forget to address ensoulment! When do you think ensoulment happens? That is the problem with killing a fetus right? Because it is a person with a soul? Do you think god is watching you have sex and the moment a sperm breaks into an egg god stuffs an extra soul in your gut? Plus all the petri dish zygotes that are disposed of when women are getting help with fertility. Do you think god stuffs souls in those too just so they can die? This then must mean there is a giant pile of zygote souls somewhere that have died, because most zygotes DON’T make it. Should women be punished for knowing they are likely to miscarriage? I know of women who have had dozens of miscarriages and yet kept trying. Should women be tested for fertility before they are allowed to try get pregnant…?

    Anyway, I don’t believe a person can have two souls inside them, and a fetus definitely wouldn’t be able to have a soul before being developed enough to survive on it’s own. In MY religious opinion. And that takes care of the issue with most abortions. Fight fire with fire.

  28. Why not put all your time and energy into inventing an artificial womb ? Then you can save all these babies and women can have control of their bodies too.

  29. Belle Rita Novak says:

    As far as “believing” in abortion–it isn’t a belief or a religion, it is a medical procedure. When abortion is not legal, the death rate of women of child bearing age goes up. Women who are desperate will try to abort using whatever means possible. Sometimes they die from these methods. Guess that’s okay with the yahoos who want to make it illegal as long as it isn’t their wife, mother, daughter, etc. who needs it.

  30. Happy Go Lucky says:

    There seems to be some BIG assumptions/presumptions being made here. These are that pregnancy is something that just *happens* out of nowhere, it is a surprise when it does happen, and it is a disease that needs to be eradicated. According to nature this is not true! A woman’s body is designed to get pregnant after intercourse- oftentimes despite the hormones, implantations, or barrier methods employed to prevent it. Instead of using abortion as a fall-back when artificial means of contraception fail, we need to teach our society to respect our bodies & the functions for which they were created.

    * This argument does NOT apply to rape/incest cases

  31. Will every American woman leaving/entering the country have to submit to pregnancy tests to ensure she did not have an abortion while outside of the US?

  32. These questions you all are asking are so great!I live in Virginia where abortion is becoming pretty much illegal.I would love to ask our Governor Bob McDonell and Attorney General Ken Cucinelli these questions since the majority of the state doesn’t seem to care.They will when it happens in their households.

  33. When a woman dies in childbirth, will they prosecute the baby for murder, or will it just be manslaughter?

    • Technicly speaking, in many states, children under 6 or 7 aren’t legally capable of murder. There was a case where a 6 year old brought a gun to school and killed another 6 year old, but he wasn’t convicted of murder because children magically can’t commit it.
      It’s this flawed logic that’s extensive in the argument against abortion as well.

      • Iliana Echo says:

        I certainly don’t defend the anti-abortion movement, but your comparison seems flawed. I don’t think it’s that kids somehow can’t kill people, it’s that a child lacks the ability to understand the implication of what he/she did. Consider: most children that age are just beginning to understand what death is. How could they understand how serious killing is if they don’t really understand death?

  34. Tracey Darling says:

    Gay couples can not have accidental or unwanted pregnancies. So if you Truly care about saving babies why are you not supporting the gay lifestyle? People could ‘choose to be gay’ until they were ready to become parents. There are lots of ways to have sexual pleasure and orgasms that pose no risk or even possibility of pregnancy. For many of these folks there is a definite punitive component.

    Rick Santorum recently said that sex should only be procreative, so how many times has he boinked Mrs.Santorum and if it is more than the couple times necessary for their huge brood of offspring he is a filthy hypocrite.

    I think all the answers to the questions of what happens to a mothers other children while she is in jail or who pays for ‘collateral damage’ would be the same. The conservatives always give up ‘the poor folks pay and suffer because it is their fault.’ But it is difficult to get them to say that so obviously, We need more questions to that end…

  35. Diane Wuesthoff says:

    1. How will you prosecute women who knew they were pregnant but had miscarriages POSSIBLY related to discretionary behavior on the woman’s part, such as jogging, horseback riding, working in a stressful environment, getting too little sleep, etc.? Will they be charged with negligent homicide, manslaughter or merely child abuse? Will women who have miscarriages BEFORE they know they are pregnant (under the same conditions mentioned above) be charged with involuntary manslaughter?

    2. Where do you plan to locate the new prisons that will be required to house the women and doctors sentenced under these new laws? How do you plan to pay for these prisons and all the guards/prison staff who will need to be hired? (Oh, scratch that last question – the prisons will all be privatized, so corporate entities will be running the show.)

    3. What is your plan and timetable for closing down all fertility clinics, since the inevitable fate of many of the millions of unused embryos is to be discarded with medical refuse (“adopt-an-embryo” movements notwithstanding)?

  36. I want to know, what if the woman was on birth control or the condom broke would she be punished less like manslaughter instead of first degree murder since she was taking the necessary precautions to try and not have a baby? Also, this whole prochoice idea goes hand in hand with sex only being for procreation. Since we humans found a way to make birth control we are now able to have sex for pleasure. You can’t make abortion illegal unless we also revert back to sex only being for procreation.Thus, in my opinion, you would have to make birth control illegal…you can’t have women taking it, have it fail and still blame them. Now whose gonna regulate that, and soon enough it will hit the black market. The govt can’t handle the war on drugs now!!!!

  37. I kind of combed and combined the earlier statements, and I pasted them together in one huge lineup in desperate need of good editing. Feel free to use or eschew at your own convenience. This lineup might be better served with a reader-submission/edited update of “…more questions for anti-choice candidates – please define ‘pro-life’”

    Again: I’m a Christian, I am pro-life in faith and belief – but I am not an idiot!

    Here – the combined original list and a few add-ons…

    * * *

    With the current state of the economy,education, jobs, legal care, and health care there are many questions that are and remain unresolved in regards to the “Pro Life” stance that need to be addressed. Listed below are just a few, which, when properly addressed – with funds, figures, actual numbers, and provisions covered – will possibly, eventually, help to promote the unilateral “Pro-Life” measures that are being pressed upon those who are more educated about the world around them. Please feel free to distribute this helpful guide and return at your earliest convenience to discuss these matters in clear and concise detail to your current leaders in government, rather than at the centers for health care.

    Thank you.

    Questions to consider when choosing a mandate for “Pro Life”

    1. How many years do you consider to be a fair prison term for a woman who has an abortion?

    2. How many years for a doctor who performs one?

    3. Will the punishments be greater the second time around?

    4. Where will the state acquire the necessary funds to allocate towards prosecution of greater than one-third of all American women for this crime [continue reading, below, for further details]?

    5. Forty-two percent of women who have an abortion have incomes below 100 percent of the federal poverty level [that’s $10,830 for a single woman with no children, if you’re counting]. When women are forced to have children they cannot afford to raise, will those children become wards of the state or simply new Medicaid recipients? Where will the state find the money necessary to support them?

    6. Will you be willing to watch your wife die in front of you when her life is threatened by an unsafe pregnancy that no one is allowed to do anything about? Your daughter?

    7. Will rapists have to pay child support to women who are forced to have their children? Will the women [oftentimes minors] be forced to share custody of their newborns to the care of the rapists? Will there be false cries of “rape”, to ensure otherwise? What will be the determining factor in regards to rape? Who will pay for the procedures in regards to determining rape? Who will pay for the counseling services to both the biological mother/rape victim and the infant as s/he grows to an age to discover how s/he came to exist?

    8. Will the child of incest be in the custody of its rapist father or the father’s teenaged daughter, his mother? In fact, 18 percent of women who have an abortion in America are teenagers. Will they be required to drop out of high school to raise their children or will the state provide free childcare? Where will the funds be acquired?

    9. Will upper-class white women be prosecuted as vigorously as other women who have abortions?

    10. You are aware that upper-class white women have abortions, aren’t you?

    11. What should be done under the circumstances of ectopic pregnancies? If both the fetus and the birth mother die, is it double-murder for the physician to neglect to care for the fetus, due to the law? If the fetus is eliminated, is it co-conspiracy to murder? How would justice be metered in either circumstance?11a.Does this mean that we have to redefine citizenship? Wouldn’t you be a citizen of the country in which you were concieved instead of the one in which you were born?

    12. Will there be programs in place to help our schools cope when they are overrun with unwanted and emotionally unstable children? The current school populations in most regions for elementary students to teachers is at 30:1 with abortions legal. The current population for students who are within the autistic spectrum is at 1:110. What are the chances that the public school sector will change to accommodate the current student population within the next few years? What are the chances that said population will be better prepared with an influx of a greater amount of less cared-for children in the halls?

    13. Where would established prenatal care be sourced from in the event of unplanned pregnancy?

    14. Where would established medicaid be sourced from in the event of unplanned delivery?

    15. Where would established courses on child rearing, food, and childcare be sourced from in the event of unplanned pregnancy?

    16. Will there be a mandate for adopting or fostering more unplanned children put in place for those who are deemed unfit parents but have no options to terminate birth?

    B. Will these adopted children include people of color?

    17. Will the fathers of these unwanted children have to pay for half of womens hospital bills?

    18. Will men who get women pregnant be prosecuted as well? Considering that women wouldn’t get pregnant without men.

    19. Will women get paid leave during their pregnancy? Paid leave during lactose period immediately following birth until infant is weaned?

    20. Will mandatory provisions be made for counselling prior to, during, and after being forced to go through hours of painful labor for an unplanned child and months of emotional upheaval?

    21. Will the fathers, too, have to legally be responsible to the care, welfare, fiscal needs, child-rearing and responsibilities of full parenthood? Will mandatory provisions be made for DNA testing and direct-route fiscal responsibility, regardless of the fathers’ current marital or lack of marital status, and regardless of the fathers’ current fiscal status?

    22. Will there be provisions set aside for the funerals of the women and children who do not survive lethal pregnancies? With provisions in place, in cases of life-threatening pregnancies where both the lives of the infant and birth mother have terminated, will the negligent doctor be sued for having not provided care? Will the double-murder charges be brought on the father?

    23.What typical daily activities that are taken for granted will be discontinued due to the potential of endangering the welfare of a child?

    a.Taking perscriptions?

    b.Not taking pre-natal vitamins?

    c.Where will provisions be put into place to ensure a healthy fetus, and with what governmental overview, fiscal support, educational resource, and mandatory laws put into place?

    d. Is there agrace period in which the biological mother can perform normal activities without fear of prosecution under this or will mandatory provisions be put into place for daily pregnancy tests? [Because pregnancy tests lack accuracy at conception, before implantation, before hormonal changes can occur.]

    24. Will there be mandatory provisions set aside for surviving children of the couple mentioned in item #22, in such instances when the father is imprisoned, the mother is dead, and the elder children are without parents – or will foster care services [at this time there are hundreds of thousands of unplanned children that are still not adopted, and this with abortion *and* standardized birth control measures in place]

    25. Will there be mandatory provisions set aside specifically requiring a license to give birth, and, otherwise, mandatory – but reversible – sterilization procedures put into place to ensure no unplanned pregnancies due to lack of insurance? Or will there be a proper installment of pregnancy prevention measures put into place that guarantees 100% efficiency?

    26. Will provisions for mandatory adoption procedures be put into place for unplanned pregnancies, up to and including for children of color, for those who are licensed to give birth but are physically unable to?

    27. Where will the funding come from to instill and install all of the above, when the funding to care for the current population – from education basics on prenatal care to education basics for the children to employment basics for the parents and insurance for all the above – if these matters are absolutely clearly not being met at this point in time, how will these provisions be put into place for the instance when the numbers of unplanned pregnancies increase to full terms?

    28. Matters of citizenship. How will this be regulated? [With proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the conception happened on American soil.]

    29.If an undocumented immigrant or immigrant with Visa extention gets pregnant in America, is that child an American who should recieve Title IX, prenatal care, mandatory education?

    30. With that, who raises the de soile citizen infant?Legally, citizenship is to be granted to all fertilized eggs: thus, what will be the mandatory provisions for the applications for passports for all those children conceived on US soil by those on vacation/US visa? Back, again, to the adoption/foster care question: will infants born of de soile citizenship be a part of the mandatory adoption/foster care program, or will there be a mandatory increased tax base for any and all U.S. citizens who fail to meet the criteria for poverty as defined by the U.S. government, and would measures be set into place to co-opt mandatory adoption/fostercare licensure to those who can fiscally afford children, regardless of race, religion, sex or sexual identity, or ethnic origin?

    31. Under current statistics, will there be mandatory increased provisions funding foster programs and adoptions agencies?

    32. Under the current statistics, will there be increased mandatory buildings in each town and city with increased funding for youth homeless shelters since roughly a quarter of children who age out of foster care become homeless?

    33. If a pregnant woman does not legally “own” her body for that 9 months of gestation, who does? Her legal husband and/or the determined father of the fetus? The woman’s father? Her parents? The local police or sheriff or an appointed judge? If she has no legal guardian during gestation, will there be mandatory provisions set into place to provide her with one? Who determines eligibility for the position of guardianship of the woman? What would the host-guardian be legally mandated to set provisons for? At what point in time does the guardianship of the host mother become relinquished to the host mother’s own care? Who pays for the dual-guardianship measures to be enforced? If events take place in which the host mother loses the pregnancy, does the host mother have legal rights? In the event of the host mother’s death, does the legal guardian of the host mother have legal rights against the state for double-homicide?

    34. What mandatory provisions will be put into place to determine if a woman had an accidental miscarriage , versus one which was induced or otherwise encouraged one by her actions? Would a woman be at fault for abortion if she may have caused a miscarriage by carrying heavy objects, failure to take prenatal vitamins, failure to consume healthy quantities of nutritious food, or other factors that may put the pregnancy at risk? With the installment of guardianship of a host mother, what are the legal requirements for licensure of guardianship for a host mother, and what legal recourse would be required in the event of an unplanned pregnancy?

    35. With life legally beginning at conception, what about the right to be born of the millions of fertilized eggs produced as a by-product of in-vitro fertilization? Is keeping them frozen abuse and/or imprisonment? What will be the procedure in prosecution of those who dispose of them? What will be the procedure of prosecution of those who host the frozen embryos?

    36. Will every American female over the age of 13 leaving/entering the country have to submit to pregnancy tests to ensure she did not have an abortion while outside of the US, with a mandatory 30-day isolation clause in case of “false negatives”? In cases of unreported rape/incest, it is highly likely that such matters would be taken outside of the country. Will every American parent submit their daughters to mandatory test procedures and isolation encampments before exit from and entry to the U.S.?

  38. We are referring to women like they are robots. It is a woman’s body yes, but it is also carry another life, separate from her own. I would say atleast make it the law to have a waiting period and atleast two different counseling sessions before the woman has the abortion. Just to make sure she has had the chance to explore alternatives. It will affect the woman later in life mentally. I know, I am speaking from experience.

    • Why do you perceive the writers here as referring to women like they’re robots or like the embryo isn’t another life??

      Speaking from experience, I would not have wanted a waiting period delaying abortion until after the embyro was more developed. I also felt my counseling session was redundant and demeaning, as I had already researched and deliberated about my decision. So, I think it’s a wasteful and insulting to mandate counseling, esp. given that many women already have very limited access to elective abortion. If a woman feels she needs more counseling, she has the choice to seek it.

      Psychological studies have found that most women have no mental problems due to elective abortion (http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/8/777). The few women who have psychological problems after elective abortion had those problems even before their unwanted pregnancies (such as reacting very negatively to stressful events or being in an abusive relationship) or had negative views and reactions to abortion (such believing that abortion is a sin that she will go to hell for). Also, women who seek elective abortion but have an unsuccessful attempt may become depressed (http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/198/3/237.abstract). So, I don’t see why we should put more obstacles in front of people who seek safe, legal elective abortion.

    • What about the women who have to work at places where they cannot easily get days off? She may only be able to request and get one weekday off a month. What about transportation issues, costs and availability? The nearest planned parenthood clinic to me is 25+miles away. I work at a retail store that constantly changes the shifts I work.

    • By then, judging by how long it takes for most people who have accidental pregnancies to find out that it’s happened, an abortion would be even later in term. Since more of it is developed and it resembles a person more, wouldn’t that be worse?

  39. the_kcar did a great job of putting it all together but nowhere did I see any comments about what would happen to or for those who resort to “back alley abortions”. Back to the day of dirty procedures and coat hangers. Nor did I see any comments about the babies that are born alive and healthy who are left to die in dirty restrooms or dumpsters. Pro life seems to end at birth!

  40. I am waiting to see what will happen in Texas (among other states) which must actually shut down schools because there simply is no money to properly run them.

    This means no adequate financial resources to effectively educate all of the ‘human life’ which Perry…etc is allegedly so passionate about protecting!

  41. Tracey Darling says:

    I found another good point.

    “It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby’s heart beat is detected.”

    from MedlinePlus

    Trusted Health Information for You A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine

    From the National Institutes of HealthNational Institutes of Health

    So ‘God’ is the biggest babykiller of all? Seriously, the number of spontaneous miscarriages is very high and that is because many of the fetus’ are Not viable. Will the law reflect current medical ability to ‘save’ these non-viable ‘babies’ and how often will the laws be reconsidered to reflect rising medical competencies?

    If a woman does not have the ability to pay for state of the art medical facilities and expertise could she then sue the insurance companies for failing to insure her? Can she sue the hospital? Where does liability stop?

  42. What about women who cannot afford/do not have access to healthy food?

    In Texas women must have less than $5,000 to be elgible for food stamps. And not every neighborhood does have ready access to affordable fresh fruits and vegetables.

    Will organizations ‘concerned’ about human life finally put an end to food deserts where low-income and/or people of color reside? And will they make it easier for all people to obtain nutritious food?

  43. I want to ask those who are in favor of abortion not limited to medical necessity/rape/incest:

    did that pregnancy come out of nowhere?

    Is your responsibility for thinking before you have sex that you could get pregnant and asking yourself if that would be okay just gone because abortion exists?

    Is dealing with the consequences of a decision to have sex when not ready for a child (including young teenagers!) just unreasonable?

    We’re living in a society where more and more, consequences are being taken away from irresponsible actions.

    I realize tha I don’t have all the answers. But no one has addressed responsibility for creating a life, most seem to just hide and say that life begins at some undetermined time. We need to take responsibility for our actions and not expect the government to take care of us.

    • And what about people who were taking measures? Condoms that don’t visibly break but still leak, for instance. I’m 15 weeks along right now due to that.

    • Mo, using birth control IS taking responsibility. If a woman finds herself pregnant and unable to raise a child (or simply unwilling to deal with pregnancy and childbirth), having an abortion IS taking responsibility.
      It ticks me off that anti-choicers equate controling your fertility to being irresponsible. Having kids you don’t want, can’t afford, etc., is what’s irresponsible.

    • Rebecca G says:

      I agree that having sexual intercourse carries responsibility with it. However, until the men who participate in that intercourse are forced to be as responsible for the consequences as women are, then that responsibility is solely up to the person who becomes pregnant. It is infinitely more responsible to have an abortion than it is to carry an unwanted child to term, and be forced (because of someone else’s objection) into motherhood when one cannot adequately provide for the child financially, emotionally, physically, socially, spiritually, and in all the other ways single mothers are expected to provide for a child. Instead, let’s ignore the man’s responsibility, and force a woman to have, and provide for, a child she does not want. Excellent idea!!! (heavy sarcasm)

  44. LotusBlossom says:

    OK so let’s say a teenaged girl is raped, and her rapist is apprehended. DNA evidence confirms he is her rapist and the father of the child she is carrying. She lives in a death-penalty state that regards abortion as equivalent to infanticide, and she has an abortion.

    Should she face the death penalty while her rapist faces a year or two of jail time?

  45. Ask pro-lifers how they support prevention of spontaneous abortion (AKA miscarriage). Also, would pro-lifers support research and funding for elective abortion that keeps the embryo alive?

  46. If life is more important than a person’s own decisions or health, then should we also require that all healthy individuals donate a kidney and/or part of a liver and make sure everyone agrees to be an organ donor? I mean, life is more important than what you want going on with your own body, right? Oh, you’re not pro-life?

  47. So if a fertilized egg is a “person,” does that person have to pay taxes? Be counted by the Census? Vote? (I think that would be a great scene – pregnant women getting to vote twice!)
    So why celebrate birthdays? Why not conceptiondays?
    It’s all a smokescreen. Using the “rights” of eggs/fetuses as paramount is just a backdoor (no pun intended) way of declaring women’s bodies a kind of public property. Its logical conclusion is that since women could become pregnant at any time after engaging in sex, her behaviors would have to be policed: must eat the “right” diet, no drinking or smoking, etc. See “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood to see what kind of world this would look like.

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